My issue with Luke had nothing to do with Brooke or Peyton. His personality just bugged me. I just didn't really care about him or what he went through. I think its really more of a Nathan vs Luke thing. To me, Luke was a whiner and a jerk, he went through far less than Nathan but was always made out to be Dan's biggest victim. For me he was just weak and not very interesting, especially when I felt that a Nathan was stronger and overcame so much more. I've always felt the brooders on this show were uninteresting.
I don't agree with this. Lucas had it worse during high school years. Brutally hazed when he joined the basketball team, had to give up on his dream due to his heart condition, lost the man who was practically a father to him... When Nathan had to give up basketball he became a drunk and his whole life fell apart. When Haley left him he almost killed himself. Lucas handled hardships a lot better than Nathan in my opinion.
Nothing bothers me more than someone sitting around feeling sorry for themselves and both he and Peyton were famous for that. They made themselves out to be Martyrs and in a group characters who all at one time suffered the same if not more, it was just not fun to watch.
Like drinking a beer in class or drunk driving?
In Luke's case I think the bigger issue is that a lot of his so called fans are really more fans of Brooke or Peyton and therefore their opinions of him are skewed towards how they perceive her treatment of their fave girl.
Completely agree with this. Especially BL-ers considering LP-ers had the satisfaction of their couple being endgame.
I never exactly understood why a lot of people disliked Lucas. His character was somewhat destroyed for me from season 4 onwards (and not just his) but in the first 3 seasons he was likable. It's just that it seems he is never free of his mistakes and has to suffer the consequences of those mistakes for a long time. No matter how much he tried to fix it. It wasn't like that for some of the other characters.
Brooke never let go of season 1 cheating and was always holding it over Lucas' head. Nathan held some stupid grudge against Lucas over the fact that Lucas went to see Haley in New York for most of season 3. I never understood why. Haley was his best friend for most of his life, long before she even met Nathan. Peyton was mad at him for sleeping with Nikki after she broke their little fling off and calls him on being a bad friend in season 2 even though she never reached to him for help or anything.
On the other hand Brooke lied to him about being pregnant and that is never mentioned again. Nobody even knew she sunk so low in an attempt to get even for cheating and never apologized to Lucas for that. She stole the test, got Haley fired, and for that she was instantly forgiven. Treats Lucas like crap for no reason in the start of season 4 and he doesn't hold it against her. Sleeps with Chris Keller and is forgiven in the matter of days.
Nathan treated Lucas horribly in the beginning of the series, humiliated him, kidnapped him, made fun of his mother etc, cheated on Peyton in the very first episode, gets involved in gambling that almost kills his wife and unborn child and is forgiven in a day. Once he decided to change his ways nobody brings up his past mistakes anymore. Like it never happened. He never suffered the consequences of his actions like Lucas did.
Peyton's drug habit is never revisited after she quit, but at least she had to earn forgiveness for her mistake from season 1. Same goes for Haley when she went on tour.
Not to mention Rachel. Everything she did on the show was bad and irredeemable as far as I am concerned. She tried to screw Brooke with Lucas and her cheering squad, tried to seduce Nathan and destroy his marriage, released the time capsule that resulted in two deaths. Oh, and almost killed Cooper and Nathan after the wedding which she almost ruined in her drunken stupor at the reception. And for some reason some people still liked her. She didn't even feel remorse for most of it. Now, if Lucas did any of these things I can already see the torches and pitchforks.
As for being a good friend, Lucas definitely was. He gave Nathan his job when he needed money in season 2, took care of him after the car crash, shaved points for him, offered to take the blame for point shaving scandal so he could go to Duke... He called Jake back for Peyton, helped her deal with Ellie, saved her from PD raping her...or worse... He arranged for Brooke to stay in Tree Hill in season 2 and gave her his room, supported her when she run for school council president... I don't see Lucas being a bad friend to anyone.
Most of this refers to HS years, I'm having trouble taking seriously later seasons...and that includes season 4, that's when everything went wrong IMO.