I don't see how she was self-righteous or holier than thou with LP. She was just telling it like it is, she doens't need to bring up her past mistakes because LP being sucky people is on them, it has nothing to do with her past. She made a bad decision at 17, so what? That doesn't mean she's wrong Lucas when he's being an ass or that she should try to justify Leyton what they were doing to her friend Lindsey. I don't see what her past has to do with being a good friend who actually tells you what you need to hear and not what yo want to hear. Just because she made a mistake doesn't mean she shouldn't call Luke out for also making one. And really from what I've seen, the only people with an issue with Haley re LP are LP fans who defend every sucky and messed up thing either of them do, so who ever isn't kissing their asses or praising their amazing connection is wrong, just an observation.
As for the Peyton/Lindsey debate, I was glad she defended Lindsey becasue Peyton is a HORRIBLE friend to everyone, especially Haley and always has been, imo. I was glad she mostly tried to stay neutral and didn't have excluse loyalty for the epic suckiness that was LP. When talking about the PH being friends in this thread, people seem to forget forget that they basically said that up until Peyton coming back to TH, her and Haley hadn't spoken in years. Which means when the love of Haley's life almost died and was paralyzed she didn't even rate a phone call/visit from her good friend Peyton, shows how great that freindship is. Also Lucas and his GF(of obviously a while) had been there for her since they were around. That was the toughest time in her life up until that point and her good friend Peyton was off in LA probably screwing Julian. I don't know why Haley was supposed to defend Peyton and Leyton to Lindsey just because they hung out in High School, but whatever.
As for Naley, the fact that she even tried to listen and talk to Nathan after she caught him in the shower shows to me not only how much she loved him but how committed she was to their marriage and making it work. She was completley in love with him and just like it took months for Nathan to get over HAley's bad behavior, it was going to take her a while to get over Nathan's harm to them as a couple and family. Haley was insecure that season not only because of their situation but Nathan's rejection. Do people remember the fight they had where she threatened to leave? NAthan told her he was nothing and had nothing? Depressed or not, that has to hurt to hear from the love of your life that you and your child aren't enough for him if he doesn't have basketball? He basically told her she wasn't enough. So then after her ultimatum he wakes up. Just because he suddenly stopped ignoring her and being an ass doesn't mean her hurts are instantly healed. It doesn't mean she can instantly go back to trusting that she is enought for him. Then she see him in the shower with another woman. She was devastated. We all know that nothing was going on, but that's quite the compromising position to be caught in. It just brought those insecurities that she had been feeling since the beginning of the season. But still after she calmed down and thought about it, she wanted to talk to him. All she wanted was to hold him and make her pain go away and yet he continued to lie to her.
Nathan let another woman come between them, not Haley. The problem wasn't her trusting him, it was him closing himself off from her and not being honest. Every time something happened she trusted him. When he told her something, she believed him. It was only after he contined to lie that she had an issue. Adding that to the fact that she was holding everything in to keep her family together and being a good mother, it started wearing on her. Nathan's treatment of her was wearing on her. Her son's favoring the Nanny was wearing on her. But she tried everything to be strong for them and hold it together. It wasn't until she saw her baby boy floating in a pool after almost drowning that she exploded. But even then she had her moment and pushed Nathan away, but she still did EVERYTHING she could to keep their marriage together. She got mad and dropped the big "D" but when it all came down to it, she fought for their marriage even went to counseling so that they could figure out their issues.
She wasn't normal sweet Haley placating everyone's feelings, but she was far from a bitch. If you want see a bitch see Peyton seasons 1-6.