Iím gone for a while and I get back to threads like these. Great!
Look, Iíve been around this fandom ever since 2003. Iíve been here with another account and on other forums as well and I always had stupid and ridiculous discussions with other members: something Iíve learnt? Thereís no use to discuss because some people are so blind by their love for a character that they just canít accept when others say bad things about their beloved characters.
Another thing I also learnt is that in every couple thereís a target and a poor little thing. In Nathan/Haleyís case, Haleyís always been the target and Nathan the poor little thing. That means that Nathan can do whatever the hell he wants to that heíll always be protected by his fans, no matter what. And when Haley does the tiniest little thing (not talking about season 2), she gets all the crap thrown at her.
And sure there are some Haley crazy fans that always protect her, no doubt about it. But I never heard a Haley fan say she wasnít at fault in season 2 the way some Nathan fans say he wasnít at fault in season 5 (this didnít happen in here but there are Nathan fans who blame Haley for what he did in season 5: dellusional).
Now to the real deal: in season 2 Haley was wrong, wrong, wrong. I really couldnít care less if she kissed Chris or Chris kissed her, just like I donít care if it was Nathan who kissed Carrie or Carrie who kissed Nathan because the thing isÖ both Nathan and Haley put themselves in a position where Chris and Carrie could do what they wanted when they shouldíve been put in place long before. In that sense, both situations are equally bad.
Haley went on tour with Chris, which isnít the same that going on tour for
Chris, like HaleyScott23 said. Do I agree with the way she did things? No, absolutely not. Haleyís dream was to pursue a musical career and we canít say she didnít deny being with Chris because the interviewer interrupted them before she even said anything so why are we saying she didnít deny it? Maybe she did or maybe she didnít. We could state with all certainty she didnít if we had watched the entire thing. Since we didnítÖ And Haley knew Nathan was watching so it wouldnít make any sense for her not to deny it. But if she didn't... wrong of her.
The things Haley did wrong in season 2 were letting Chris get closer to her (which she always thought was for their musical work together; Chris never flirted with her and made OBVIOUS moves on her before he kissed her) and leaving Nathan the way she did, without telling him anything about it. These are her major mistakes in season 2.
In season 5 Nathan was a crying baby. I wonít comment on his depression because it was somewhat understandable, although he was extremely immature and selfish. One of the reasons why I hate 5x13 is because the things Nathan says to explain his behavior are just non-sensical.
So your wife doesnít look at you anymore like she used to and the poor baby has to find that from someone else so he can feel special again? Please, grow up. Only this show could blame Haley for Nathan liking Carrieís attention. His marriage was on the rocks because of his idiotic attitude where he ignored his wife and son for 4 months straight. What do you want, Nate? For her to look at you like none of that had happened? Nathan had been trying, of course but you just canít expect your spouse to overcome such a traumatic situation like that in one day. Itís not a day, not a week or two. Itís a lot more.
Of course Haley was still hurt by what he had done so she obviously wouldnít look at him like she used to anymore. Because of who? Nathan himself and him saying he wasnít worthy of that look anymore was the most accurate thing he said in that office, thatís why I donít get him. He knows Haley doesnít look at him anymore like she used to because of what he
did. So what if you actually try to improve your marriage, work for having your wife look at you the same way again instead of playing with the nanny in the pool, watching her swim naked or seeing her throwing herself at you, huh? And why donít you put her in place like a real man would do (something along the lines ďBitch, Iím married and youíre getting your ass out of here now.Ē)?
But no. Carrie walks in on the pool and Nathan stops playing with Jamie to start playing with the nanny? Inappropriate.
Carrie walks in on his and Haleyís bedroom, a sacred place for them, and puts his pants on? Inappropriate. Nathanís reaction?
Then Carrie clearly flirts with him. Nathanís reaction?
He watches Carrie swim naked when he knows how much sheís disrespecting his wife. Nathanís reaction?
He knows Jamie can see Carrie like that. Nathanís reaction?
Jamie calls Carrie ďmommaĒ. Nathanís reaction?
Carrie kisses him. Nathanís reaction?
Haley asks Nathan if thereís more to it than just the flirting. Nathanís reaction?
Nathanís a guy and even the most innocent guy in the world would realize what Carrie wanted with those things. But I guess the poor babyís ego was so bruised that he had to get a boost anywhere, even if he knew. I wonder if NH had hired a granny for a babysitterÖ Iím sure that even if the granny flirted with Nathan he would throw up in the next instant and his theory of the ďI need an ego boostĒ would go down the flush. Aww :í(
Nathan had three options: Being a real man and try and save his marriage instead of giving the nanny more attention which would mean he could only get that ego boost from the woman he loves and a slut doing that wouldnít do him anything (which was what should've happened). Being a boy, which was what he was, and think it was okay to have a little fun with the attention the nanny gave him because he needed that ego boost. Or being a coward and cheat on his wife.
I donít like to compare season 2 and season 5 but Iím with HaleyScott23 on this one. Theyíre equally bad. Haley put music over Nathan in season 2. And in season 5 Nathan put the nanny over Haley by letting her overstep his wife and disrespect her. Whatís worse? Iíll leave that to you.
Iím a NH fan but Iím a Haley fan first and I can honestly say Haley is too good for Nathan. She deserved a lot better, imo. And even Joy says the same thing
But of course Iím being biased because I always thought Nathan was an ass. See? I actually admit Iím being biased.
But I agree with what the OP says. The double-standards for Nathan & Haley are ridiculous.