I just could never get into the Breyton friendship. It wasn't like I hated it but I hated how the writers portrayed it. We were supposed to think in season 1 that they've been best friends for how many years but it didn't show onscreen for me. Even before the BLP triangle began in season 1, they didn't seem as "close" as the writers tried to make them appear in later seasons. Season 2 was kind of nice - I didn't love the girls but at least there were glimpses of why they're bffs. I just thank God that my best friend and I aren't like Brooke and Peyton in real life. We've had our hard times and fights for sure but we have never betrayed and been as hurtful as these two have been. And I'll tell you one thing, I would never be able to forgive my friend if she ever made such disgusting comments about either of my parents. It's despicable actually. I hated how Breyton never talked about that. Did Brooke ever even apologize for that? I don't think she did but please correct me if I'm wrong. Lord knows they've talked Peyton's mistakes to death but big surprise - Brooke's were glossed over. I couldn't get into their friendship because it seemed "fake" to me. I use quotes because I know they're friends but I always felt a sense of facade behind it. After 416 (415 even towards the end of the episode), it was as if everything was "okay" once again. I mean, come on - the whole season up until this point was filled with Brooke throwing out nothing but mean, hurtful jabs but Peyton says "I'm done and don't care anymore" and suddenly Brooke's all "she cares, she cares!" to Mouth and everything's better. Give me a break. Where was Brooke's apology? Where was the discussion of Brooke beind a bitch and all of her mistakes? I've heard people say Peyton was Mark's favorite (I hardly ever pay attention to behind-the-scenes type of stuff, especially if it doesn't involve the actors themselves) but if anything, I would think Brooke was based on everything. Not that I care about that at all. I just find it hard to believe that Peyton would be Mark's favorite with the way he writes for her, Brooke, and Breyton.
They mentioned the mom comments once, after the fight with Psycho Derek, and that was it. Considering how hurt Peyton was about that, and rightfully so, I don't think it was realistic that she just got over it. I believed they had a good friendship up until season 4. It was a little weird that Peyton seemed cold to Brooke at times early season 1, but other than that it looked like a typical high school friendship. And even after the cheating there was real remorse on Peyton's part. Brooke, on the other hand, was devastated and it was shown that what happened deeply affected both of them. I did not get that feeling in season 4. The Breyton reunion in season 1 was done in a much better way than in season 4. Peyton gave Lucas up and, in a way, she paid the price, at the same time she showed to Brooke that she valued their friendship more. There's no way that Peyton and Brooke would have been friends after season 1 had Peyton stayed with Lucas, IMO. After all, Brooke befriended Peyton again only after Peyton too was hurt by Lucas. But in season 4 they became BFF's instantly, without an explanation. Nothing was resolved, I couldn't understand why didn't it bother Brooke that Peyton was with Lucas then. And how was it that Peyton just ignored Brooke's behavior since the confession? It would have been the same if Nathan just embraced Haley when she knocked on his doors after the tour, or if Brooke immediately took Lucas back after he told her he wanted to be with her. Those two storylines were good because the writers took the time to reconnect the character slowly and in a realistic way. Amends had to be made. Forgiveness takes time. So it was very disappointing to see that the writers felt the need to destroy both characters and to reunite them disregarding all of their issues in the process.
Season 4 Brooke was awful on so many levels. Here are some examples (minus Brucas/Breyton since we've been covering that):
1) She starts sleeping with her teacher (which is just ridiculous and stupid) and is then surprised when the guy cheats on her. I'm sorry but I actually laughed during that Brachel scene in 407 when Brooke was crying. Come on, Brooke - don't be an idiot. What did you expect?
2) This is a very small one but the Baley scene in 405 always bothered me. I know it was supposed to be funny and I didn't hate it or think Brooke was "awful" - I just thought she was a little insensitive towards Haley with the way she outed her pregnancy like that. Haley was clearly embarrassed and uncomfortable as she tugged on Brooke's pant leg, wanting her to stop but that didn't matter. Brooke kept on going because she was more concerned with the student body knowing she wasn't pregnant. I know it's a small thing but it always bothered me.
3) Stealing the tests. Okay, I don't think this was "awful" either (the act itself) but the aftermath of it was. This cost Haley her job and I'm sorry but Brooke was once again only thinking and caring about herself. She lied straight to Haley's face like it was the easiest thing in the world. Brooke cared very little about her friend in this scene. And that apology in 417, sorry but I found it so hollow sounding. And I hate how Haley was just all "oh, it's okay - blah, blah, blah". Seriously Haley, get out of Brooke's ass. Another thing that bothered me was 414 - the Brachel scene. I think it was really crappy of Brooke not to go after Rachel. I don't care that Rachel told her not to. If that were my friend, I would have went home with her and comforted her, made sure she was really okay - especially if it was partly my fault. But nope, Brooke went right back inside (outside) so she could be with Chase and showed very little concern for Rachel after. Brooke did something similar in 210. Peyton came to her at the end, crying and saying she needed her best friend. Felix comes out, Peyton leaves and Brooke forgets all about her friend and starts making out with Felix. That scene always bothered me as did the Brachel one.
Brooke sleeping with her teacher made me think that Brooke wasn't really heartbroken about breaking up with Lucas. She got over him so fast that I had trouble believing she was much into him in the first place. It wasn't just a one night stand, she wanted a real relationship and while it lasted she seemed much happier than she ever was with Lucas. She also got into Chase very quickly. It looked like Brooke got over guys and into them really, really fast. I'm not talking about hooking up, but her feelings. Complete contradiction of Broke's character seasons 1-3.
Baley friendship also didn't seem genuine to me. If they were such good friends, how come Brooke couldn't confide in Haley about Peyton's confession, her new boyfriend Nick, having problems with calculus... Haley didn't even know that Brooke broke up with Lucas until 403, for crying out loud. If Haley trusted her with something important as her pregnancy, why Brooke couldn't do the same?
Stealing the test was just another reason I never believed they were such good friends in season 4. Not only you don't do that to your friends, but it showed that Brooke was prepared to walk over anyone who stand in her way.
Speaking of - the Brachel friendship which (sorry, pausing to laugh)...was so ridiculous. I'm not discounting their friendship but seriously, these girls went from hating one another to suddenly being bffs. I know that can happen, I just didn't find it believable or enjoyable to watch. All these two girls were good at together was getting in and causing trouble. The only reason these two became friends was because of the Breyton drama. That friendship also felt pretty one-sided to me. Believe me, I'm no Rachel fan but season 4 was always about Rachel helping Brooke - giving her a place to live, helping her steal the tests, switching the tests and taking the fall. I liked that Brooke was the one to help Rachel in season 5...well, at least try to help considering Rachel left. Their friendship was just funny to me. I like the fast forward button during them.
I know that the writers felt that Brooke needed someone to be friends with, since Peyton was gone and she couldn't talk to Haley cause then it would have been impossible to keep Lucas in the dark about the confession, hence Rachel...but, um...no. Just no. One second they are pulling each others hair and the next Rachel is inviting Brooke to live with her? Where did that come from? Considering how unforgiving Brooke was, I just could not see her befriending a girl who spread the rumors about her being pregnant, defended Peyton's actions, tried to seduce her friend's husband, told her she'd be a terrible mother and so on... All that after they became "friends".
Rachel in general was the most pointless character on the show. What purpose did she serve exactly, other that to show how to be a horrible human being and get away with it? Her way of "helping" Brooke was pimping her online and getting her in trouble with the test. I don't excuse Brooke for her part in it but Rachel's way of helping was like, if you need money your friend offers you to help you rob a bank. And it made Brooke seem really stupid for believing Rachel was actually going to help her with her ridiculous Austin Powers - like
plans. But even in this "friendship" it was Brooke who gave nothing and took as much as she could.
I may be hard on Rachel, and that's because I did not see one good thing she did during her run on the show.
All of the things I've been saying in this thread are the reasons why I liked Brooke in the beginning and less and less as the seasons continued (season 5 excluded). Brooke has this "I'm right, you're wrong"/"my way or the highway" type of attitude. She's had it since season 2 and it kind of turned me off of the character. I honestly like Brooke in a general sense but I hated her A LOT! She was the only character, IMO, who got away with everything. Most of the times, I couldn't sympathize with her because she caused a lot of her problems on her own and she hardly ever apologized for it. And when she did apologize for her words/actions, her apology usually sounded really hollow; they sounded like just words with no true feelings behind them. And to add to it, the other characters forgave her in an instant. Brooke never truly had to "pay" for anything. She got let off the hook so fast and easily. Not to character compare but most of the other characters (specifically Haley and Peyton) had to fight tooth and nail for forgiveness and some fans still criticize them for breathing while gloss over everything Brooke has done as if nothing ever happened. Haley, even as my favorite - I have never glossed over her mistakes like the tour/Chris. I've forgiven her for it because she's actually sincere and had to work for it. Some fans have blinders on regarding their faves. One of the things I loved about Haley were her mistakes - not the actions themselves (I hated those) but the way those mistakes helped mold her into the person she became. But even with that, she was wrong. I've seen fans of all characters who think their faves can literally do no wrong. It's annoying but what can you do. It's annoying but what can you do. It's their right to have that opinion.
The most annoying part of Brooke was her getting of easy. Whatever she did, all she had to do is to say she was sorry and that was it.
Messing with Naley, trying to sabotage Leyton hooking up, lying to Lucas about being pregnant, sleeping with Keller, the mom comments, treatment of Lucas early season 4, stealing the test and lying to Haley about it, believing Nick over Rachel and being a bitch to her, sleeping with Nathan.... For all of these things simple "I'm sorry" was enough, and sometimes not even that. She was always forgiven instantly and never had to grovel for forgiveness. To actually show that she was sorry and not just repeating it like a parrot. That is the main reason I wasn't even convinced she was truly sorry for any of these things. And it was hypocritical that Brooke was never able to forgive others when they wronged her.
Despite all of that, I could accept that flaw while she had other qualities before season 4. After 401 I simply did not care about her.
Wow, what a long post? Haha!!
That's all right. I quite enjoy these discussions.